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PostSubject: concepts of existence   Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:27 am

post your thoughts and opinions here , ok heres mine (a tiny bit of it)

i believe that our world , universe , and everything attibuted to it are on a single plane of existence , i think there are UNCOUNTABLE planes of existence , and i believe humans will never reach any but our own , for even if we did , they couldnt or wouldnt exist to us in the way that our does. im agine a contact between planes , a being of physical , mental or something else makeup would be so completely foreign to our plane, that it would either not translate to us or it would translate to something wholly different , think about when you know youre being watched , or the hairs on your body rise , or all these other things , this could be a brief and tiny ripple or contact between planes , your hair raising could be the closest thing you human body and mind can comprehend of another being , the being may have simply moved , or thought something or made a noise(if noises are the same there or are something completely alien , which i dont doubt) this action on its part is so foreign to us that it isnt even incorporated in the baseline of our PLANE OF EXISTENCE therefore anything it does or has done to it , will not translate into what it actually did , but into the closest thing our human minds and bodies can comprehend. think of it as a wall , something goes through the wall , comes out COMPLETELY different , an emotion goes in , a color comes out , though the variations are as unlimited as the thoughts and actions of EVERYTHING one ALL the planes of existence , as each one interprets seperately . . .and thats just a teeny bit of my thoughts on the matter . .. post away!

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:22 pm

Interesting ideas Dow.

I don't think those small occurrences have much to do with 'planes' as such, just otherwise undetectable physical interactions.

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:43 pm

My theory is long and complicated, and half of it i can't describe in words (it's just makes sense to me lol) but I'll give it a try.

OK, first of, look at energy. Anyone who has done physics knows that their are different types of energy, which can be transformed from one to another but never destroyed, while energy itself has no adequate description. Now imagine that energy has a substance, (i usually imagine a glowing shape somewhere between gas and liquid). It exists beyond our senses, so what we see and call energy is actually just the effects or symptoms of energy moving around.

OK now lets make that a little more confusing, and say that this energy substance exists on a different plane or dimension, thus we only see it's effects on our dimensions.

Next lets through in the famous E=MC2. In short, this equation states that matter and energy are interchangeable. So, why not just call matter the solid form of energy, or what it becomes when it drops to our plane/dimensions? after all, when you break down most models of matter, you reach a point which is stated as being minute pulses of energy anyway

So now you have an explanation for energy and matter. The next mystery is the beginning of the universe. The theory with the most evidence is the big bang, yet no-one can explain how it occurred. Based of the above explanations, the Big Bang is nothing more than a large amount of energy dropping into the state of matter. And rather than being "The start of the universe", big bangs could be a common occurrence, only spread out so far that we can only find evidence of the one that spawned us. Which then explains the mystery of what is "outside" our universe. Off course this then leaves an opening for the true beginnings of the universe are. I have no clue, i don't care, and it lets the religions stop fighting with science and be happy

Next up is Life. Now if energy in the form of matter starts to contain enough energy in it's more natural state, then it is able to move and act. Over time the creatures created by this would become more complex and evolve. Again, whether this was random or an act of a higher power their is no way to tell, and that lets the scientists and the religions live in peace

That's as much of it as i can really be bothered trying to explain. Although fun fact - this is the theory that I'm going with for my novel, and any others that i wind up writing, since it A) makes a lot of sense to me and B) gives a ready made explanation for how characters are able to use magic or other "supernatural" style ability's Smile

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:59 pm

I like the idea of mass being interchangeable with energy. Very cool. When you think about it, c (speed of light) is just a constant. Thus, mass is a very high...thing... compared with energy E=3x10^16M. Thus, one unit of "mass" is equal to 3x10^16 units of "energy".

Although the Physics lecturer would probably scold me for making such an assumption >.>

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:27 pm

I dunno... the Physics lecturer seems to like assumptions
He doesn't seem to like anything definite lol

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:50 pm

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I like the idea of mass being interchangeable with energy. Very cool. When you think about it, c (speed of light) is just a constant. Thus, mass is a very high...thing... compared with energy E=3x10^16M. Thus, one unit of "mass" is equal to 3x10^16 units of "energy".


Both units are derived from convenient measurements. Doesn't mean much.

I don't think energy and mass are that interchangeable, they do exhibit distinctly different properties. Like energy transfer in an electric field. The mass doesn't interact directly with other mass, but through energy (I think?).

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:05 pm

interesting evolution of this topic... from random theories about different planes of existence, to the hard-core discussion about the nature of physics, all in 6 posts!
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The mass doesn't interact directly with other mass, but through energy

This is the theory, but that is because mass and energy are assumed to not be interchangeable. If they were, it would be the mass it was interacting with.
Just from the electric field example- if the energy from the field was related to the mass as Phoenix suggested, which property causes the difference between positive and negative fields? More brain-boggling thought required on this matter, I daresay. Interesting to contemplate... But I get enough Physics in my assignments. Maybe next semester when I'm not actually doing Physics (yay!) we can debate over it... Or maybe we should clone Einstein so he can work it out for us Smile

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:55 am

Can someone re-explain this so that the other non physics kids understand please?

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:26 pm

with my concept , laws of physics and mass-energy interchangeability are different from here , or even non existent in otherp lanes of reality , therefore they cant be compared accurately to ours as they dont share any base traits at all

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:03 pm

I think that mass and energy are interchangable, as with the current concepts of energy there can be no energy without mass, (kinetic energy and gravitational potential energy).

With the string theory as it is we believe there are 11? dimensions and we can only perceive 3 although we could well be part of more, seeing as time could be considered as fourth dimension and we are part of it yet we cannot perceive it.

I think there is a part of life that cannot be explained with physics, I don't want to believe that everything is preordained by what has gone before, since it basically defeats the point of living.

Unfortunately I read on the interwebs earlier that a theory for faster than light travel has been shown to be not possible by quantum mechanics, although we know so little about quantum things it's hard to be sure of anything.

There are constants in life, the speed of light in a vacuum, and other such things, but as with most rules they are there to be broken. The speed of light is fastest one can theoretically go, and as long as there is a limit to be tested and broken I don't think that mankind will stop in the search for how to overcome this limitation.

Such is the exploratorive nature of humanity.

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:17 pm

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I don't think that mankind will stop in the search for how to overcome this limitation.


And reduce my latency.

While we are on the topic of abhorred physics;

@ Rachel, in the example I said, no mass changes are made only energy. Perhaps under certain exotic circumstances mass is easily interchangeable with energy, but mass-energy interaction in electric fields isn't one of them.

@Dow, why wouldn't interchangeability between mass and energy exist in another 'plane' of existence? The way I see it, the universe as a whole must have a set of fundamental traits in which it obeys, no matter how general or loose.

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:10 am

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@Dow, why wouldn't interchangeability between mass and energy exist in another 'plane' of existence? The way I see it, the universe as a whole must have a set of fundamental traits in which it obeys, no matter how general or loose.


some of them COULD have generally similar or same laws as us , but when i think of a plane of existence , i think of the plain as not only being the thing that holds its "universe we'll call it" but its also the base element of everything in it , as in , everything in it , is derivative of that plane and could not exist elsewhere as it does

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:14 pm

Umm... the universe would contain planes, not the other way around. Universe means everything, there is only one, this is how it is defined. Therefore, any laws or patterns that the universe abides by as a whole, the elements of it will abide by those same laws (logical induction?).

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:01 pm

what im saying is just my opinion , i understand what i mean its just annoyingly hard to explain

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PostSubject: Re: concepts of existence   Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:15 pm

kateb16 wrote:
Can someone re-explain this so that the other non physics kids understand please?


Doubt it. I did physics for a year and a half, got pretty good marks, and some of this stuff is still making my head hurt lol

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